hi,could somebody help with a ruling a ref applyed last night which is baffling to say the least.during the half time break,i decided to take off 2 off my players who where on bookings.on re,entering the field off play the two new players never told the ref ,they were half time subs,as soon as the second half kicked off,the ref stopped the game, and proceeded to book the 2 players which is correct,then he went and picked one off the lads that was subsituted and issued him with a 2nd yellow then red,i dont know why only one!! , bizarrely stating he got booked for not telling him he was being subsituted..if anyone is guilty here its(1) the 2 players who entered the field at half time or (2)myself,for not instructing the ref.but how can 2 lads who were told they were taking no more part in the match,be guilty of anything.i googled the rules and couldent find a ruling the ref just made ,after the match i told the ref my findings and was told hes reffed for 28 years and i know nothing about rules,which is a terrible attitued,as i was polite and only asking if he made a mistake

ref was correct in all cases except
he should have cautioned both
players who left the game. i
usually ask both teams before
the 2nd half starts if they have
made any subs to avoid this

box2box with regards to the above it our manager has phoned the SFA and they seem to think that the ref is wrong for booking the player that was taken off. He points to a rule in the SFA and a professional refs rule 18/19 law 3 that seems to support our case. Do you know if our manager is correct or not?

it is a cautionable offence to deliberately
leave the field of play without the refs
permission. you certainly wont do it
again and hope it didnt affect result

thanks for replying box2box,but which part does the player play when during half time being told hes not restarting, be deemed deliberate.the result is not important,justice is!

All that is needed in this case is a bit of common sense

Are you for real how can a player deliberately leave field of play when his manager has told him is being taken off at half time ???

I agree that the 2 subs should not enter play without informing Referee
and going by rules were rightly booked ( managers fault there for his 2 players being booked )
but for players taken off getting booked that is a joke in my opinion

only quoting the laws. they were all the
managers fault. never said i would have
done it, just stating ref was within his
rights. would like to think i would have
dealt with this differently by asking ( as
i usually do ), if any of the teams have
made any subs. please dont think im
the villan here

box2box,what law are you quoting.when speaking yesterday to a referee supervisor at the sfa,was again told the ref was wrong,as all players have permission to leave the field at half time.the refs report said he summoned the player in question,back onto the pitch then procceded to book him for leaving the pitch without permission!which is a lie,as he was sitting recieving treatment when the ref came over,and booked him ,,box2box ref like this, is why refs can get a bad time ,when they make up thier own rules ,he was asked by everyone to reconsider his decision,but his arrogance and stuborness,comes before commonsense,by the way box2box i am not getting at you,reading your posts you sound like a ref with commonsense

There is a question in the advanced exam that is very similar to this.

The cautions for the two subs who came on were correct, the caution for the guy who went off was wrong I believe as it was half-time and the player was entitled to leave the pitch. He has no obligation to return to the field and as such it wouldn't come under leaving the field without permission. That would only appply if he left the field once the game was udnerway, and would still apply even if the ball was out of play but not during the half-time break.

I dont think anyone is saying you can't leave the field at half time, as the original post says once the game was restarted the ref then stopped it to book the players... Tells me that the referee deemed the players who had left worth of a booking for not returning to the field though.

IMO, what's worst about that is that the referee has already notice that the team has made changes (since according to the original post he blew to stop the game just after the restart), yet he didn't point it out before the restart nor did he do what most refs do and ask if there were any changes at half time. What's baffling, is why only 1 of the boys who came off was booked.... After all, wether the ref is right or wrong - that's some serious lack of consistency!! Lol

I tell you what tho, depending on the league the costs for yellow cards are very high too - could be expensive for clubs now! (£5 yellow, £20 red)

I tell you what tho, depending on the league the costs for yellow cards are very high too - could be expensive for clubs now! (£5 yellow, £20 red)

What league has this for fines Dougie Scottish Amateur FL I presume?
Teams will need a race night every month to pay off their fines!

Yip, £5 a yellow and £20 a red... Oof